on white, black on black, it's a very small. i think almost single digits, interracial crime in our country. >> that's not true. that's not true. >> it is true. >> and you -- >> one last point -- the category of -- >> no, it's, look, i'm telling you overall. i don't know about -- let me say, historically, if you think back to the history of lynching, of assassinations, of political leaders, that's white on black crime, larry. >> well, if you look at the category of crime of murder, you're absolutely right, juan. almost all murder is same race murder, you look at auto theft, break-ins, home invagus, those kinds of 24i7ks, 40% of street crimes are it whiched by black people. >> i thought we were talking about personal assault, murder, that kind of thing, what you're talking about is poor people. of course, there's a higher poverty rate among minorities. >> again, you talk about things like categories of crimes.